Empathy with Roman Krznaric

Empathy with Roman Krznaric

Photo by Kate Raworth

Welcome to Somewhere To Believe In, a brand new podcast from Greenbelt Festival. In our first episode, hosts Katherine and Paul dig into the topic of empathy with philosopher and friend of Greenbelt Festival Roman Krznaric.

We discuss why trying to understand how others see the world could have revolutionary power, and why now, more than ever, empathy is so important. Katherine and Paul also give you some behind the scenes insight into working at Greenbelt and the difficult but necessary decision to cancel this year’s festival.

We recorded this conversation with Roman and finalised this episode before the Government announced its £1.5bn rescue fund for the arts (early in July). So when, in this first episode, we air our worries about the arts being overlooked, we didn’t know this help was soon to come. We welcome it, of course. But we also know that the devil will be in the detail in terms of how this support actually translates across the sector.

Find links, resources and episode timestamps (for all you skippers out there) below.


Roman Krznaric is a public philosopher who writes about the power of ideas to change society. His new book, The Good Ancestor: How to Think Long Term in a Short Term World, was published in July 2020, and has been described by U2’s The Edge as ‘the book our children’s children will thank us for reading’. https://www.romankrznaric.com/
Twitter: @romankrznaric



‘Empathy and the Revolution of Human Relationships’ Greenbelt talk by Roman Krznaric https://bit.ly/gbtalk-empathy 

‘The Good Ancestor : How to Think Long Term in a Short-Term World’ by Roman Krznaric https://www.hive.co.uk/Product/Roman-Krznaric/The-Good-Ancestor–How-to-Think-Long-Term-in-a-Short-Term-World/24823601

The Empathy Museum https://www.empathymuseum.com/

Today for Tomorrow https://todayfortomorrow.org.uk/

Doughnut Economics https://www.kateraworth.com/doughnut/

‘Me and White Supremacy’ by Layla Saad https://www.meandwhitesupremacybook.com/

Hive https://www.hive.co.uk/


00:00 – Welcome to Somewhere To Believe In
01:55 – Katherine and Paul catch up
03:00 – Katherine and Paul reflect on cancelling Greenbelt Festival this year
08:50 – Introducing Roman Krznaric and his work
10:00 – Roman joins the conversation
10:30 – Roman on lockdown and homeschooling
12:30 – Roman on Greenbelt Festival and Greenbelters
13:35 – Roman on grassroots philosophy and empathy
19:00 – Talk Snippet from ‘Empathy and the Revolution of Human Relationships’
27:15 – Roman on empathy in the context of coronavirus
28:50 – Roman on empathy through time and space
32:20 – Roman on the empathy museum
33:00 – Roman on how we can be good ancestors
35:38 – Roman on what difference we can make
40:58 – Roman on empathy as a social movement
42:22 – Roman on empathy and racial justice
44:15 – Katherine and Paul reflect on the conversation with Roman
52:12 – Katherine and Paul wrap up the episode
54:30 – Thank you’s
56:00 – Arts and Culture government funding update and reaction


A huge thanks to the Greenbelt Volunteer Talks Team for all their hard work on editing this episode. Our podcast music is ‘I Can Change’ by Lee Bains III & The Glory Fires.